Hello to all,
I grew up in a Nazarene church where the women were expected to cover their necks with high collars, arms with long sleeves, and skirts below the knee. We were told what we could watch on TV, what kind of books to read and the newspaper was off limits more times than not. I was told to be quiet and obey. I was baptized at nine, against my quiet, stormy will. I found it to be a terrifying experience that I can still remember every detail of that day.
My large faithful family consisted of a preacher, a pimp, a drug pusher, and a varity of mental illness that has still gone unchecked to this day, but we all were at church on Sunday because the guilt trip and emotional torture grandma would lay on us was a higher price than getting up early to sleep during a sermon once a week.
Some of the threads I have read through seem to be more authentic fundalmentalist than my whacked out family experience.
I remember being in Sunday school and I must of been in a mood that day because the story that the teacher was relating just didn't sit right with my younger self and I raised my hand and posed a question about something that didn't make sense to my developing mind. The reason I remember this is the answer I got from the teacher shut me down. She said that I shouldn't rock the boat and that maybe I need to talk to the minister of our church.
I struggled with issues of sex when I got married to an 'untouched by religion' soul, but I made the transition. I would read my Bible faithfully every night searching for meaning and understanding but I just got more confused and pissed off. I started having dreams of walking in a dark cold cavern where I could not see until I got to an edge where I could feel a draft blowing up at me I would turn but only the edge was left. I had this dream or ones like it repeatedly. I would always wake up just as I felt myself falling.
So still I would struggle not knowing what to do as I slowly lost my mind thinking that I was not praying correctly. I was praying to God and not Jesus so I started praying to Jesus, then I felt that was rude because now I was ignoring the Father . . . you can see the crazy forming right? Anyhoo. . . I had another dream only once but it was mind-bending for me and I wrote it down not that I needed to.
There was a terrible storm and I was running to find shelter as rain pelted me and lighting flashed. I found an old rickety shack and ran into it. I was out of the rain and that seemed good. Then the proverbial knock at the door I opened it to find what looked a bit more serious than Buddy Jesus who told me I had to come outside to get out of the storm.
Typical weird dream, but it was not long after this that I found the courage to leave my religion and find myself. And that's why I think I may be an ex fundy.
I grew up in a Nazarene church where the women were expected to cover their necks with high collars, arms with long sleeves, and skirts below the knee. We were told what we could watch on TV, what kind of books to read and the newspaper was off limits more times than not. I was told to be quiet and obey. I was baptized at nine, against my quiet, stormy will. I found it to be a terrifying experience that I can still remember every detail of that day.
My large faithful family consisted of a preacher, a pimp, a drug pusher, and a varity of mental illness that has still gone unchecked to this day, but we all were at church on Sunday because the guilt trip and emotional torture grandma would lay on us was a higher price than getting up early to sleep during a sermon once a week.
Some of the threads I have read through seem to be more authentic fundalmentalist than my whacked out family experience.
I remember being in Sunday school and I must of been in a mood that day because the story that the teacher was relating just didn't sit right with my younger self and I raised my hand and posed a question about something that didn't make sense to my developing mind. The reason I remember this is the answer I got from the teacher shut me down. She said that I shouldn't rock the boat and that maybe I need to talk to the minister of our church.
I struggled with issues of sex when I got married to an 'untouched by religion' soul, but I made the transition. I would read my Bible faithfully every night searching for meaning and understanding but I just got more confused and pissed off. I started having dreams of walking in a dark cold cavern where I could not see until I got to an edge where I could feel a draft blowing up at me I would turn but only the edge was left. I had this dream or ones like it repeatedly. I would always wake up just as I felt myself falling.
So still I would struggle not knowing what to do as I slowly lost my mind thinking that I was not praying correctly. I was praying to God and not Jesus so I started praying to Jesus, then I felt that was rude because now I was ignoring the Father . . . you can see the crazy forming right? Anyhoo. . . I had another dream only once but it was mind-bending for me and I wrote it down not that I needed to.
There was a terrible storm and I was running to find shelter as rain pelted me and lighting flashed. I found an old rickety shack and ran into it. I was out of the rain and that seemed good. Then the proverbial knock at the door I opened it to find what looked a bit more serious than Buddy Jesus who told me I had to come outside to get out of the storm.
Typical weird dream, but it was not long after this that I found the courage to leave my religion and find myself. And that's why I think I may be an ex fundy.
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Sat, May 6, 2006 - 6:47 PMUh, yup, you may be an ex-fundie. There are 12 steps to help you recover:
Step one: recognizing that you are a fundie.
Step two: believing that a higher Power than fundamentalism can restore you to sanity.
Step three: turning over your problem to a higher power (yourself)
Step four: Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of yourself.
Step five: Admit to yourself and to another human being the exact nature of your fundamentalism.
Step six: You are entirely ready to remove all these defects of character of fundamentalism.
Step seven: Work to correct and overcome your shortcomings.
Step eight: Make a list of all you have harmed in the course of fundamentalism (including yourself) , and become willing to make amends to them all.
Step nine: Make direct amends wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Step ten: Continue to take personal inventory and when you are wrong promptly admit so.
Step eleven: Seek to improve your conscious contact with yourself, though, preferably not while driving.
Step twelve: Having had a non-spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, carry on with your life and practice these principles in all your affairs.
Good luck, and don't forget: you can drink, smoke, dance, wear what you want, watch tv and fornicate now, so go work on your steps with a cold brew and .... whatever else you want.
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Sun, May 7, 2006 - 8:51 PM#1 did it
#2 Thank Something greater that I, It has been done!
#3 Did it
#4 NO Problem
#5 Yea, that one . . . not so fun but did it
#6 Absolutely
#7 Shortcomings? I'll get back to you...
#8 see #5
#9 ...okay
#10 getting pretty good at that one
#11 That one is going pretty well too and I wish someone would of mentioned driving earlier.
#12 What if there was a spiritual awakening. . . it just had nothing what so ever to do with religion
Excellent!
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Tue, May 23, 2006 - 6:41 PM"don't forget: you can drink, smoke, dance, wear what you want, watch tv and fornicate now"
some of my friends seem to be in competition to do everything on this list in the shortest possible timespan. in fact, I think most of them could zoom through the checklist in about an hour... -
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Sun, May 28, 2006 - 8:01 PMHi, also new to this tribe and can't believe it exists. I actually searched 'penticostal", hoping, but "fundamentalist" worked instead. Yeah, spent 9 good years of my childhood as the child of a wacked out guilt-ridden penticostal mother, but guess what...I SURVIVED!!!! I remember waking up in the morning and, if silence was all I heard, racing around the house until I found someone, sure that the rapture had come and I'd been "left behind".
I spent a little time rebelling pagan style, but it wasn't for me, too many unempowered, insecure people trying to conjure up magickal ways to stop being losers.
Now I am tolerant of most faiths and I'm far over the "now I can drink and have sex" part, however I have to say that everytime I see an obviously fundamentalist family and their poor, frightened children I just want to run up, shake them, and call out the demons of fear and ignorance that have obviously possessed their bodies.
There, my first manifesto...nice to meet you guys! -
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Sun, May 28, 2006 - 9:02 PMHI Shhhhhhh!!
nice to have you here.
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Mon, June 5, 2006 - 12:58 PMHi Shhhhh....
It is wonderful to find others who shook off fundie and moved on.
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Re: new to this tribe and I think I may be a ex fundy
Sat, June 10, 2006 - 4:21 PMI love the imagery of your dream! WOW!!
You might consider reading: TOXIC FAITH, by Stephen Arterburn and Jack Felton. I learned about the book at a high school reunion. I was talking to Jack's wife and she told me about the book. Of course, I had to buy something written by a former classmate. Your story is what I consider a clear example of a faith gone bad issue.
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Re: faith gone bad
Wed, June 14, 2006 - 2:34 PMIt's funny, I just realized as big and varied as my library is I have never read any books on this topic that was so central to my life for such a long time. Faith gone bad issue brings up all kinds of imagery, scenarios and emotions from sadness to rage, but from where I am standing right now far far away and looking back all I can see is my family. God, religion, dogma, belief swirl around in some other nether region of my mind that I go to now and then but never stay.
My family taught and trained me in their particular form of fundamentism.
To clarify: I was taught that the bible was literal in every God inspired word. That my life's purpose was to try hard every day to be like Christ but at the same time understand that I was no better that the dirt under his shoe and my prayer's should ask for forgivness for my incredible lack at being less than Jesus. My job was also to recruit other pathtic souls who were lost and be their keeper as they would become mine. Love, kindness, thoughtfulness, grace were just words to me I had no understanding of their meaning. Manipulation, control and numbers were more unspoken but I readily understood thses ideas much more clearly than I understood who or what God was.
When I look back and see them standing there in all of their glory, fear and cowardace I realize the faith I lost was my faith in them, their guidance, their wisdom, their teachings and their beliefs. They were just pathtic souls dressed up in their fantasies to impress or, more likely, to out shine each other.
So, all of my depression and fist shaking anger at God was really me just seriously pissed off with those who's duty it was to love me, care for me and teach me. Don't get me wrong I was still holding God responsible for quite some time but like I said who or what was god? I saw him as male, cold, distant, uncaring, uninterested, uninvolved and unworthy of my devotion.
That's when I quietly left the whole God, religion, dogma, belief scene of the crime. The sun rose the next day, there were no earth shattering events in my life it just went on and I just went on without them.
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